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Posted 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago
mortimer
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What is wrong with this picture?

We have seen many variations of the following theme: 'If the Axis had the manpower and material resources of the Allies, the Axis would have won the war
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Posted 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Given Hitler's goals, the Axis would either conquer or perish, there was no middle ground.

Germany had more resources than its early victims: Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, France, Britain.

Germany + Italy with generally friendly Japan and Soviet Union probably outmatched Britain + France, which was the situation after October 1939.

Germany had more resources than Britain until it became Germany vs Britain + USSR, and Germany vs Britain + USSR + USA. Please note that the reason why it became a larger conflict was Germany declaring war (or in the Soviet case invading without bothering with a declaration of war) on both neutral USA and USSR.

The German army was larger than the Red Army during all of 1941, at least at the front (not overall). It still lost. The Luftwaffe had more aircraft than the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Still lost.

...then it would have opened two other fronts. Germany was fighting a one-front war, Hitler was the one who decided to include two previously neutral powers (USSR and USA) in the growing list of nations who wanted his head.

Nazi Germany wasn't about fairness.

Look up repeated bullying and unprovoked invasion of neutral powers, use of civilians to invade neutral Luxembourg and Belgium, etc.

They certainly were victims of the A-bomb. It was dropped on them, after all.

That doesn't make dropping the A-bomb an atrocity.

It was a 155mm, and you are probably thinking about Aachen although the same thing happened before (e.g. Brest).

Of course, the Germans weren't above using heavy weapons in a direct-fire role. They were the ones who built the heaviest guns in the world during both world wars, and early in WWII they usually tried to achieve a large edge in firepower.

By 1944-45, they were on the receiving end of their own fighting methods.

Yes, at the tactical level, say up to battalion, the Germans were usually better. That doesn't make them win wars. In fact, you might argue that they lost both world wars for the very reasons which made them good tactically.

> He said the US artillery

Tell that to those on the receiving end at Stalingrad.

That's called being outfought.

The Germans don't seem to have had any complaints about the role of VIII Fliegerkorps which smothered defenders with bombs at Sedan 1940, in various occasions in Russia (including Sevastopol and Stalingrad), or in Crete.

See above. The obvious reply is that the Axis did it when they could, and complained when it was being done to them after they had started the war in the first place. Poor darlings...
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Posted 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Germany may have had more resources in some areas than Britain - formally England, Wales and Scotland - but Germany certainly didn't have more resources than the British Commonwealth and Empire. The BCE's resources may have been less easily deployed than those of Germany, but that was simply a matter of time and capital, of which the BCE after May 1940 had ample.
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Posted 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Nothing requires that you or anyone else reply at all. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the differences in resources between the two sides late in the war. And the nationals of every side will always try to pretend that their soldiers are superior. You can find british vs. american, british vs. australian or any other combination you want to look for. The whole topic is not worth responding to unless those involved are making really specific claims grounded in objective reality. Its about as useful as talking about which team is going to win before a competition. Its meaningless.

I mean does anyone really expect a german veteran (or american veteran or any other veteran) to think of themselves as incompetent or second-best soldiers. (Or worse, to convince them that they are with talk/words). Thats just not going to happen.

At Anzio, the americans eventually won and they get the accomplishment of having won the battle but the germans also put up a very good defense given their circumstances. The germans might have done better with more material, but the US might have done better if certain aspects of the attack had been changed.

Thats a mostly true statement. The side with far greater manpower and material resources is usually going to win any war fought. But if you take on someone with larger manpower and material resources, its your (the axis) decision to do so and you have to fight the war within those parameters.

Neither of those responses contribute anything. Just let them make their case and ignore it.
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