What if Britain has surrendered???

What would of happened if Britain was defeated in 1940? Would the US still involve itself in defeating Nazism? Would Germany beat Russia if fighting only on one front? Would Pearl Harbour still happen and could the US defeat Japan? Would the Commonwealth countries Canada, Australia, etc. continue the fight? Would a victorious Germany fight with the Japanese in the Pacific? Would a victorious Germany still be ruling Europe today?

Had Britain have fallen in 1940.....hmmmm...good what if. Certainly America could still have been victorious over Japan. However, the threat of a second front in Europe would have been null and void. America might still have been able to invade North Africa, but the battle their would have been much more difficult. As to the question about the commonwealth forces, I have no doubt at all that Canada and Australia/New Zealand would have continued to fight in conjunction with America. It is also somewhat likely that British colonial forces such as those in India and elsewhere would have fought on. As to the Eastern Front, I don't think Germany would have been able to conquer all of the USSR. However, that fight would have been even longer and bloodier and might well have ended in a stalemate. All said, Britain's victory in the Battle of Britain and their continued survival allowed for concerted action against Germany. Without which it is vaguely possible that Germany could have eventually forced America to make peace, at least. Consider the New York bomber and the V-2. Consider also that the German's might well have been able to develop even more fearsome weapons (and longer-ranged ones too) without the nuisance of strategic bombers flying from England. Incidentally, Hitler did write, in 1939, that England would have to be eliminated as a base from which attacks against Fortress Europe could be launched. He just found himself unable to do so in 1940, and turned his back on Britain to attack the USSR....surely one of his greatest errors. Regards, Lee Pierce

<<What would of happened if Britain was defeated in 1940?>>>

Victory for Germany. Yes it could have been done had the Germans made a solid commitment to taking the Island. As it was, the invasion of Russia took priority. All of the naysayers will tell you that invasion of Britain was impossible, but air superiority=large scale airborne troops=airstrips=ground troops=uncontested landings=tanks=victory. And if Hitler had decided to destroy the British army at Dunkirk,,,then victory would be even more certain. The ONLY thing that would change this is if the US decided that it liked the Brits enough to finally get involved.

<<Would the US still involve itself in defeating Nazism?>>

It would not be able to do so if Britain was out of the fight...no place to marshal our troops.

<<<Would Germany beat Russia if fighting only on one front?>>

Probably,,but perhaps the delay caused by the fighting with Britain would be the only wakeup call that Stalin would need to get off his 'collective' butt and prepare for the inevitable. Even then, it would be a tough fight for the Soviet Union. I truly doubt that the USSR alone would be able to hold off Germany. With the United States out of the picture, there would be no strategic bombing to worry about, no lend-lease aid, no threat of invasion, etc. Boy did we get lucky or what? LOL

<<Would Pearl Harbour still happen and could the US defeat Japan?>>

I think Pearl Harbour would still happen, and yes the US would still defeat Japan.

<<Would the Commonwealth countries Canada, Australia, etc. continue the fight?>>

I'm not Candian or Australian,,but I think 'Hell yes' is what they would say.

<<Would a victorious Germany fight with the Japanese in the Pacific?>>

I doubt that their commitments in Europe would allow the Germans to go that far. The pact with Japan was mostly just a symbolic gesture. However there were some technolgical exchanges. Perhaps the U-boat fleet, being unused after Germany's victory, could serve to aid the Japanese in their sea battles with America.

<<Would a victorious Germany still be ruling Europe today?>>

That all depends on the A-bomb I guess. Even if the Americans develop it by early 45 as history showed, it would have been unusable in Europe. Not just because of the political and military implications, but because there would be no way of delivering the weapon to its target, with no single bomber or bomber group being able to get into German controlled airspace uncontested. No demands of 'pull out or we'll use it' would work, especially with the US being in no position to invade Europe. I think that with Germany ruling all of western Europe,,yes it would still be around today. I think that the Germans would most likely have their own A-bomb project in full swing by this time. You might look into reading a book called 'Fatherland'...I forget the author.

Just a reminder,,,,,the war is over, and the right side was victorious. Never forget it.

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My two cents worth

Probably not unless, subsequently, it felt under threat from V3 rockets etc.

The problem would be getting at the Germans in the geographical sense.

Probably not as the majority of their resources were already in Russia. And as it was more Hitler's blunders that doomed the Germans to defeat there would be no great reason to think that any divisions released from the West, and Africa, would have made a substantial difference.

Yes on the assumption that the USA still cut off the oil to Japan.

Arguably the US would have defeated Japan more quickly as all their resources would have been devoted to that task.

This is probably the most difficult question. Australia and, to a lesser extent, New Zealand was threatened by Japan so would certainly have come in/continued the war with the US. I suspect that Canada would have stayed out on the, valid, grounds that like the US they would have a problem trying to fight Germany across 3000 miles of ocean.

South Africans probably not, for similar reasons of distance.

India. Probably yes because of the Japanese threat.

I doubt it, not because of any reasons of alliance but if Japan was defeated by the US then there would be nothing to fight over and if, improbably, Japan fought the US to a standstill there would be no real economic reason for any war. Also I suspect that Hitler would prefer any such stand-off to continue and would not wish to upset the balance of power there.

You might argue that they are anyway, at least in economic terms! I can't see why they wouldn't still be in control unless National Socialism suffered a similar demise, for similar reasons, to Communism and Europe fragmented again into Nation states.

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We wouldn't be having this conversation, at least not in English, and anyway it would be on HitlerNet. Mind you, I bet you that HitlerSoft 95 would be a bloody efficient operating system.

No.

Toss-up. It would have taken a good while longer and cost far more lives.

Yes. Yes.

No. They were too far away. I think it would have precipitated their complete independence.

No.

I thought they did anyway. B****r the Euro.

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if Japan had been so foolish as to attack Pearl Harbour.

and they wouldn't have done so, because Nazi Germany and Vichy France would have been allies and not at war with the US.

I'd guess it would more have been a sort of cold or stitting war, with the US not officially being involved.

that's a tough question.

there would not have been an open conflict between Germany and the US, at least for a few years.

The US could be fighting on Russian soil. It is an interesting situation, could supply lines be created? Would Japan attack US shipping destined for the USSR? If Japan declares war on the USSR, the US could base bombers in Vladivostok and attack Japan?>>>>

I highly doubt we would even think about actually fighting side by side with Russians. With Britian there was naturally a close cultural similarity, not to mention the lack of any language barriers. I think the only way the US would give any significant amout of help or aid is if we are able somehow to make landings in or near Europe, so that we can save those countries considered to be 'western'. Coming in from Russia would only give Europe to the Russians,,,no way. If it came to that, we might find ourselves fighting alongside the Germans first. As for Japan,, with the US able to devote its full resources against it, I highly doubt the Japanese would do something as stupid as declaring war against Russia.

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Why? The belated German war-economy was, as we have heard countless times, such a hopelessly inefficient affair - kicked into higher gear only by the RAF. So why would HitlerSoft95 be a bloody efficient operating system?

Now you have to give the USAAF some credit too! I think every German war worker, pardon me civilian, should get the same medal as a German soldier. The German war worker was Hitler's greatest asset.

drax, I don't think Britain would have ever surrendered, even if Germany had invaded and occupied the main island, as it did Jersey, they would have had a govt. in exile from somewhere....but, it makes a nice 'what if' question to get your brain working.

jerry adams

I'm sure there would have been some sort of government set up in Britain by the Germans if they had successfully invaded. What degree of legitimacy this would have had is a matter of opinion.

I remember reading somewhere that Hitler hoped to replace the king with his brother, the duke of Windsor (who had earlier abdicated).

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