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adoree
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Posted 4 Years ago #1
Concerning the famous Polish calvary charge of the Pomorska Brigade against German positions during the opening of conflict in 1939.

Does anyone know what type of German armored cars clashed with this calvary unit. I saw illustrations depicting German 6-rad Sdkfz 231 and 4-rad Sdkfz 222 armored cars.. 20mm + MG34, just wanted to get some confirmations on this.
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Posted 4 Years ago #2
A 'famous' cavalry charge? This is just a German propaganda story. There wasn't any Pomorska Brigade but the 'Pomorze' Army and it wasn't a 'cavalry unit.'
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Posted 4 Years ago #3
and it wasn't a 'cavalry unit.'<<

Like Hell there wasn't. The Pomorske Brigade (translated 'Pomeranian'. This brigade was an elite unit in the above mentioned Pomeranian Army. On the evening of Sept 1, the 18th Lancers (a regiment of the Brigade), led by Col. Mastelarz, while in the process of mopping up a German infantry battalion, was jumped by a column of German armored cars. The horrific results of 20mm automatic cannon engaging mounted horsemen at close range was erroneously reported by Italian war correspondants as the result of a deliberate cavalry charge vs. tanks. The myth was born, and it remains to this day.

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Posted 4 Years ago #4
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OK, since Zaloga & Madej say there was the Pomorska (Pomeranian) Cavalry Brigade, it must have been so. Their charging the Panzers still remains a propaganda myth, nevertheless.

'Armia Pomorze' means literally 'Pomerania (not Pomeranian) Army'.
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Posted 4 Years ago #5
Stevan Zaloga in his book on the Polish Campaign also says that the 20th German Motorized Infantry Division with whom the Pomorska Cavalry Brigade were engaged, was on the verge of retreating 'before intense cavalry pressure'.....applied by the 18th Lancers.

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Posted 4 Years ago #6
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I don't know whether you have noticed that there is some difference between cavalry charging infantry and tanks. German war propaganda created a myth about Polish cavalry charging German tanks in September 1939, in Pomerania. In some conditions cavalry can move much more easily than tanks. On the other hand, September is probably the most favorable month on Poland's plains for tanks' movement - usually sunny and dry, such as September 1939 was.
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Posted 4 Years ago #7
The main historical background gathered from this event was as follows:

- Polish calvary charged a line of German infantry and caught them by surprise

- As the Poles charged thru the German column, German ACs appeared on the side of forest that the Poles planned to charge into for regroup

- The Germans opened fire... Poles suffered massive casualties Polish calvary was forced to run the hail of German cannon cross-fire to escape.

- Italian war correspondent on the scene wrote about this incident to depict 'desparate' tactics of the Poles in fighting off the Germans.

- Germans spinned the propaganda to show how 'backward' technologically the Poles were in using calvary to battle ACs.

- But in Post War years... this myth was propagated by the Poles themselves to demonstrate the bravery of their comrades despite the dire military situation.

- Hence... the ever famous incident of Poles charging German tanks.

QED.
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Posted 4 Years ago #8
I knew a Polish cavalry Lt. Col. who was there ... in his version, it was not really a charge but he did manage to enter a village by sparring with a tank on a preceding bridge.
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